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Talitha Quemine\Cumin\Cumi McCroskey

Female 1844 - 1894  (49 years)


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  • Name Talitha Quemine\Cumin\Cumi McCroskey 
    Born 10 Jul 1844  Giles Co., (West) VA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died 24 Jun 1894  Kanawha or Fayette Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I0154  forneyclark
    Last Modified 19 Nov 2022 

    Father John Nicholas McCroskey,   b. 1790, Rockbridge Co., VA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. ABT. 1860, VA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 70 years) 
    Mother Mary* Jane Eggleston Price,   b. ABT. 1819,   d. 1866  (Age ~ 47 years) 
    Family ID F0440  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Martin Luther Alderman,   b. 8 Apr 1847, Floyd Co., VA; lived in Walton, Roane Co., (West) VA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Oct 1903  (Age 56 years) 
    Married 17 Oct 1866  Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Ira Claude Alderman,   b. 15 Apr 1867, Roane Co., WV; lived in Reed, Kanawha Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Jan 1954, Crab Orchard, Raleigh Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 86 years)
     2. Martha E. Alderman,   b. 1868, Wirt Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. Lethia Anne "Annie" Alderman,   b. 24 Oct 1870, Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 20 Dec 1933, Burial: Sunset Mem. Park, Spring Hill, Kanawha Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 63 years)
     4. Elizabeth Susan "Lizzie" Alderman,   b. 24 Mar 1872, Walton, Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Sep 1944, Charleston, Kanawha Co., WV; burial: Ward Cem., Ward, WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 72 years)
     5. Silas Peter Alderman,   b. 25 Mar 1875, Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Mar 1928, Burial: Sunset Mem. Park, Spring Hill, Kanawha Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 52 years)
     6. Mary Ann Alderman,   b. 1876, Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1937, Burial: Sunset Mem. Park, Spring Hill, Kanawha Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 61 years)
     7. Malinda "Florence" Alderman,   b. 1878, Roane Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location
     8. Everett Lee Alderman,   b. 30 Jun 1878, Boone Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 20 Mar 1956, Charleston, Kanawha Co., WV Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 77 years)
     9. John Alderman,   b. AFT. 1880
     10. Lydia Alderman,   b. AFT. 1880
     11. Olivia Alderman,   b. AFT. 1880
    Last Modified 19 Nov 2022 
    Family ID F0051  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
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      Source:
      Margaret Lillian "Marnie" Porter:
      Talitha McCroskey's family came from Scotland.
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      Source:
      A very interesting letter about the name Talitha Cumin appears at:
      http://genforum.com/ai/messages/5505.html
      O'Bruadair:
      Concerning the use of the name Talitha Cumin among Cherokee Indians: "It [Talitha Cumin] is actually an Aramaic phrase meaning 'damsel arise'. It was this phrase that Jesus used when he raised Jairus' daughter from the dead {(Mark 6:41}. [Omitted sentences].... Could it be that this was a popular "Christian" name among the 19th century Cherokee?"
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      Source:
      http://www.genealogy.com/90_carmack.html
      Family Legends and Myths
      by Sharon DeBartolo Carmack, CG:
      This excerpt tells of some naturally evolving myths in family histories:
      "Watching Out for Red Flags"
      " Many families have cherished myths and stories about their immigration to America or other pivotal events and people. Sharon DeBartolo Carmack shos you how to determine which family legends are true, and what to do if you prove one false.
      "Great-grandma was a Cherokee Indian princess, you know." At the family reunion or while interviewing relatives, you might hear family stories like this or other lore about your forebears. Nearly everyone has a story that has been handed down about their ancestors. Some of these legends may be quite factual; others are myth. Almost all family stories have some grain of truth, however. Family legends aren't usually created out of thin air, and that tiny grain of truth may be the clue that leads you to genealogical success. There are many myths that have worked their way into family stories, and perhaps you've already heard some of these. Often, they are about ethnic origins or how the family came to America. If you haven't heard any of these common legends yet, make yourself aware of some of the most common ones, since you may eventually hear variations as you talk with family members.

      [1.]The Cherokee Indian Princess Myth
      It's always a Cherokee princess, almost never Navajo or Apache or Pueblo or Lumbee. Native American ancestry is an extremely common family story, and it seems it is always to an Indian princess. The Cherokee, of course, are a large tribe with a diverse culture, divided by the Trail of Tears. They intermarried widely, perhaps increasing the likelihood of Cherokee/white ancestry.
      One reason this princess myth may have evolved is prejudice. For those who frowned upon a white male ancestor marrying an Indian woman, elevating the woman's status to princess made the truth easier to swallow. Keep in mind that any story that says you have Native American ancestry often Cherokee may in itself be a myth. Even though it's currently an "in" thing to have Native American ancestry, just a few decades ago, it might have been the skeleton in your family's closet. Proving certain ethnic ancestry can be difficult because of prejudice or popularity toward a culture at any given time. Throughout history, some people who were victims of prejudice may have tried to hide their native origins by changing their name or claiming a different ethnicity.

      [2.]The Three Brothers Myth
      It's always three brothers who immigrated to America, never two or four or five or six. Sometimes one is lost at sea during the voyage over, or one went north, one went south, and one headed west, never to be heard from again. There are never any sisters involved in the big move across the ocean. Be wary of the brothers myth, and always keep an eye out for additional siblings both in America and once you start foreign research. You also want to confirm through your research that there were, in fact, three brothers, that the three brothers were indeed brothers and not two brothers and an uncle, for example, or that the three brothers weren't just three men with the same last name.

      [3.]The Stowaway Myth
      For some reason, it is so much more romantic to have an ancestor who came to America as a stowaway rather than a paying passenger. While there are cases of people who actually did sneak aboard ships, this was not common practice. If the stowaway was discovered enroute, typically, he will be recorded on the last page of the passenger arrival list. I deliberately use "he" because you almost never hear a story about great-grandma being a stowaway. Even if you have the family story of a stowaway, still check for a passenger arrival list, since if he was discovered and recorded on the passenger list, he'll likely be on the index, too.

      [4.]The Claim-to-Fame Myth
      Everyone who has the surname Bradford or Alden is related to William Bradford and John Alden of Mayflower fame, right? And everyone with the last name of Boone is related to Daniel. And if your last name is James, you're related to Jesse, of course. If you do have Native American ancestry, then you must be descended from Pocahontas. Is that a red flag I see flying? We all want a famous person to hang on our family tree, but we may not find that person. I'm supposedly related to Robert E. Lee. My research revealed that I really am. He's something like a ninth cousin, twenty times removed.

      [5.]The Wrong Ethnic Identity Myth
      All Germans are Hessians who fought in the American Revolution. All French are Huguenots. All Hispanics are Mexican. Of course, none of these broad statements is true. We tend to lump certain groups of people incorrectly into one category. "German" is not a distinct enough identifier in genealogy any more than "Indian" or "Hispanic." If family stories indicate that your ancestors were German or from Germany, were they Germans from Imperial Germany, Alsatians, Austrians, Swiss, Luxembourgers, Germans from Russia, or Poles from Germany? Even the records you uncover may not tell you more than "Germany." This is why it is so important to learn the unique cultural traits customs, traditions, folkways about the ethnic group.

      Names, too, may be inaccurate indicators of ethnic identity. Just because the name sounds Italian, is it? The name you are accustomed to may have been changed or inadvertently corrupted over time, obscuring its ethnic origins.

      [6.]The Ellis Island Baptism Myth
      This is the myth that an immigrant ancestor's surname was changed by officials during processing at Ellis Island. No evidence whatsoever exists to suggest this ever occurred. During its operation as an immigrant receiving station (1892-1954), Ellis Island was staffed with hundreds of interpreters who spoke more than thirty different languages. Inspectors compared the names the immigrants told them against what was recorded on the passenger lists. These lists were created at the ports of departure. There was no reason to record or change anyone's surname once they arrived on the island. More likely, immigrants themselves changed their names after they settled in America to avoid prejudice and to blend more easily into American society.

      Handling the Myth in Research and Writing
      Now that I've shattered your favorite family story, how do you tell Grandpa? Or should you? And how do you handle ancient family legends that you've discovered through your research are false? Family legends are part of your family history and should never be ignored or taken lightly. As mentioned earlier, there is usually a kernel of truth to the family story. Rather than bursting Grandpa's bubble with the facts, try to find out how the story originated. When you write your family history, include the family story as it was told to you, noting it as family "tradition" or "lore" or "legend." Then explain, if you can, how the story originated, followed by a discussion of your research findings. You may reveal that some elements of a story were true and some were false, or that a story was totally false. Even if you have not been able to prove or disprove the story, acknowledge the lore and say it has yet to be proven. These family stories give color to your family history, so record and share them as what they are."

      "About the Author: Sharon DeBartolo Carmack is a Certified Genealogist, editor of Betterway Genealogy Books, contributing editor for Family Tree Magazine, and the author of eight books, including A Genealogist's Guide to Discovering Your Female Ancestors. Sharon also teaches online courses in personal/family memoir writing.

      This how-to article was adapted from Sharon's book A Genealogist's Guide to Discovering Your Immigrant and Ethnic Ancestry. Topics include how to get your research started, the history of major ethnic groups in America, and how to turn your research into a family narrative. "
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      Source:
      McCroskey, Kyle. McCroskey Family Tree, Descendants of John McCroskey (1680-1757). 2000.
      Most of the information that concerns the McCroskey family including names, dates, places, census reports, documents, photos, and stories, came from Kyle McCroskey's book. Contributors to her book included Caroline Carr, Donna Clark, Patty Day, Earl McCroskey, George Woodrow McCroskey, Harold McCroskey, Kyle McCroskey, Mike McCroskey, Madaline Earl McEuen, Rosanna Payne, Ruth Peterson, Jo Speck, and Marge Wheeler. Special thanks went to Mark McCroskey and to Judith Hildreth.
      Information below is included in the book and was provided by Judith Hildreth, Roane Co. Historical Society:
      Notes for MARY JANE PRICE:
      McCrosky: Of Geary, Walton, Spencer District: LDS says Talitha was born in 1853 in Roane, WV:

      Talitha married Martin Aldrich and went to Kanawha Co., WV.
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      Source:
      Kyle McCroskey:
      Notes written by Lottie Jane (Dot) McCroskey Monroe dated April 6, 1982, with mention of her Aunt Talitha:

      "Aunt Talitha was quite talented. She played banjo, violin, and taught my father John Robert to also play the violin. She also sang a special song entitled, "The Man with Many Names" and taught it to Poppa, who taught it to us girls. When she and her family came to visit it was always a special fun time. All the relatives would gather in the parlor, and with the violin, banjo, accordion, harmonica and me playing the organ we would sing, ballads and hymns until way past bedtime. She married Martin Alderman moving to Fayetteville, WV and raised a large family."

      THE MAN WITH MANY NAMES:
      My father and mother were excellent folks
      They both had a way with practical jokes.

      When I was born they were both of same mind
      they said I would have all the names I could find.

      Chorus:
      Jonathan, Jonius, Jeremiah, Timothy, Titus
      Sobediah, William, Henry, Harrison, Tim,
      Reuben, Rufus, Soloman, Jim,
      Thaniel, Daniel, Abraham, Froderick, Frederick,
      Peter, Sam, Simon, Thyman, Nicholas, Pat,
      Christopher, Dickens, Jehosophat.

      When I was married I felt very sad
      the preacher looked at me as if he were mad

      He said, "Kind sir, tis a very sad shame
      That you do not have a reasonable name."

      Chorus again.
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      Source:
      Donna Forney Clark:
      What I believe is the more complete text of the song that Talitha (Quemine or Cumin) McCroskey sang appears at:
      http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiTOONAME.html
      Digital Tradition Mirror:

      "Too Much of a Name"

      "Some people are anxious for honor and fame
      And they strive all their lifetime in getting a name.
      But too much of a name is a possible thing
      And this you will say when you what I sing.
      Now my father and mother were excellent folks,
      But they both had a weakness for practical jokes.
      So when I was born they were both of one mind.
      They said I should have all the names they could find.

      For there were Jonathan Joseph Jeremiah
      Timothy Titus Obadiah
      William Henry Walter Sim
      Reuben Rufus Soloman Jim
      Nathaniel Daniel Abraham
      Roderick Frederick Peter Sam
      Simon Timon Nicholas Pat
      Christopher Dick Jehosephat.

      I was sent to be christened before I could speak
      So I might not object to this curious freak.
      There were two other babies that morning as well
      But for those two babies it wasn't so swell.
      The reason was that I was first of the three
      So the parson began operations on me.
      And it took him so long for my titles to call
      That these two other babies got no names at all!

      When I came to be married the case was as bad.
      The parson stared at me as if he was mad.
      He started his task but he found very soon
      That the job was too great to be finished by noon.
      Said he, ``My dear sir, 'tis a very great shame
      That your parents denied you a sensible name.
      But since you are here without reason or rhyme,
      You'll have to get married one name at a time.''

      "BR
      Thanks to Mudcat for the Digital Tradition!
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      Source:
      1880 US Census of Walton, Roane, West Virginia:
      Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
      Martin L. ALDERMAN Self M Male W 31 FLOYD CO., VA Farmer VA. VA.
      Talitha ALDERMAN Wife M Female W 33 GILES CO. Keeping House VA. VA.
      Martha E. ALDERMAN Dau S Female W 12 WIRT CO. At Home VA. VA.
      Ira C. ALDERMAN Son S Male W 10 ROANE CO., W. VA. At Home VA. VA.
      Letha A. ALDERMAN Dau S Female W 9 ROANE CO., W. VA. VA. VA.
      Elizabeth G. ALDERMAN Dau S Female W 7 ROANE CO., W. VA. VA. VA.
      Silas P. ALDERMAN Son S Male W 5 ROANE CO., W. VA. VA. VA.
      Mary A. ALDERMAN Dau S Female W 3 ROANE CO., W. VA. VA. VA.
      Malinda F. ALDERMAN Dau S Female W 2 ROANE CO., W. VA. VA. VA.
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      Source:
      Sonja Kaye Hill Phillips:
      Death place: Fayette Co., WV
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      Source:
      Sylvia Marie Kidd-Miles and Joan Kaye Kidd-Simonds:
      Death Certificate of Ira Claude Alderman (1867-1954) (see DOCUMENT SECTION of http://forneyclarkgenealogy.com ) was provided by Sylvia Marie Kidd-Miles and Joan Kaye Kidd-Simonds and originally came from West Virginia Vital Research Records at West Virginia Division of Culture and History at http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_select.aspx Death Certificate also refers to Martin Luther Alderman (1847-1903) & Talitha (Quemine or Cumin) McCroskey (1844-1894).
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